On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 05:47:41 -0600, The Doctor wrote:

> Group : news.admin.peering Statistics : from 5/1/2023 to 5/31/2023
>
> ***** Users with most messages *****
> num| Name | Nb Msg | size | or. | %
> ----|-----------------------|--------|--------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | Eli | 13 | 25,678 | 0 | 35.14% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | Julien ÉLIE | 9 | 20,464 | 0 | 24.32% xxxxxx 3 |
> Marco Moock | 3 | 4,524 | 0 | 8.11% xx 4 | Nigel
> Reed | 2 | 2,230 | 1 | 5.41% x 5 | Ant
> | 2 | 4,388 | 0 | 5.41% x 6 | The Doctor |
> 1 | 14,831 | 1 | 2.70%
> 7 | Rink | 1 | 2,748 | 0 | 2.70%
> 8 | Spiros Bousbouras | 1 | 2,406 | 0 | 2.70%
> 9 | Jesse Rehmer | 1 | 2,296 | 0 | 2.70%
> 10 | news.usenet.ovh Admin | 1 | 1,351 | 0 | 2.70%
> 11 | Computer Nerd Kev | 1 | 1,304 | 0 | 2.70%
> 12 | Anonymous | 1 | 1,269 | 0 | 2.70%
> 13 | Ivo Gandolfo | 1 | 1,225 | 0 | 2.70%
> ----|-----------------------|--------|--------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Users with most started threads *****
> num| Name | or. | Nb Msg | size | %
> ----|-----------------------|-----|--------|--------|------------------|
> 1 | Nigel Reed | 1 | 2 | 2,230 | 50.00% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | The Doctor | 1 | 1 | 14,831 | 50.00% xxxxxxxxxx
> ----|-----------------------|-----|--------|--------|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Users with highest total size of messages *****
> num| Name | size | Nb Msg | or. | %
> ----|-----------------------|--------|--------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | Eli | 25,678 | 13 | 0 | 30.31% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | Julien ÉLIE | 20,464 | 9 | 0 | 24.16% xxxxxxx 3 |
> The Doctor | 14,831 | 1 | 1 | 17.51% xxxxx 4 | Marco
> Moock | 4,524 | 3 | 0 | 5.34% x 5 | Ant
> | 4,388 | 2 | 0 | 5.18% x 6 | Rink |
> 2,748 | 1 | 0 | 3.24% x 7 | Spiros Bousbouras | 2,406 |
> 1 | 0 | 2.84%
> 8 | Jesse Rehmer | 2,296 | 1 | 0 | 2.71%
> 9 | Nigel Reed | 2,230 | 2 | 1 | 2.63%
> 10 | news.usenet.ovh Admin | 1,351 | 1 | 0 | 1.59%
> 11 | Computer Nerd Kev | 1,304 | 1 | 0 | 1.54%
> 12 | Anonymous | 1,269 | 1 | 0 | 1.50%
> 13 | Ivo Gandolfo | 1,225 | 1 | 0 | 1.45%
> ----|-----------------------|--------|--------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Days with most messages *****
> num| date | Nb Msg | size | or. | %
> ----|------------|--------|--------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | 5/5/2023 | 17 | 36,051 | 0 | 45.95% xxxxxxxxxx 2 |
> 5/6/2023 | 6 | 11,334 | 0 | 16.22% xxx 3 | 5/17/2023 |
> 4 | 6,505 | 0 | 10.81% xx 4 | 5/4/2023 | 3 | 5,149 | 0 |
> 8.11% x 5 | 5/10/2023 | 2 | 4,517 | 0 | 5.41% x 6 |
> 5/31/2023 | 2 | 3,969 | 0 | 5.41% x 7 | 5/1/2023 | 1
> | 14,831 | 1 | 2.70%
> 8 | 5/3/2023 | 1 | 1,054 | 1 | 2.70%
> 9 | 5/30/2023 | 1 | 1,304 | 0 | 2.70%
> ----|------------|--------|--------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Days with most messages *****
> num| date | Nb Msg | size | or. | %
> ----|------------|--------|--------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | Friday | 17 | 36,051 | 0 | 45.95% xxxxxxxxxx 2 |
> Wednesday | 9 | 16,045 | 1 | 24.32% xxxxx 3 | Saturday |
> 6 | 11,334 | 0 | 16.22% xxx 4 | Thursday | 3 | 5,149 | 0
> | 8.11% x 5 | Monday | 1 | 14,831 | 1 | 2.70%
> 6 | Tuesday | 1 | 1,304 | 0 | 2.70%
> ----|------------|--------|--------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Subjects with most answers *****
> num| Subject | Nb Msg | size | or. | %
>
----|-----------------------------------|--------|--------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | Renumber newsgroups by post date | 22 | 46,142 | 0 |
> 59.46% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | Free News Servers Listing | 11 | 20,286 | 0 |
> 29.73% xxxxx
> 3 | Looking for a couple of new peers | 3 | 3,455 | 1 |
> 8.11% x
> 4 | stats April 2023 | 1 | 14,831 | 1 |
> 2.70%
>
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>
>
> ***** Most used Newsreaders *****
> num| Newsreader
> | Nb Msg | size | or. | %
>
----|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------|--------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | Usenapp for MacOS
> | 14 | 27,974 | 0 | 37.84% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0)
> | 9 | 20,464 | 0 | 24.32% xxxxxx
> 3 | Others
> | 4 | 6,930 | 0 | 10.81% xx
> 4 | Claws Mail 4.1.1git47 (GTK 3.24.33; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
> | 2 | 2,230 | 1 | 5.41% x
> 5 | tin/2.6.2-20221225 ("Pittyvaich") (Linux/6.0.14-300.fc37.x86_64
> (x86_64)) | 2 | 4,388 | 0 | 5.41% x
> 6 | MesNews/1.08.06.00-gb
> | 1 | 14,831 | 1 | 2.70%
> 7 | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101
> | 1 | 2,748 | 0 | 2.70%
> 8 | ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272
> | 1 | 1,351 | 0 | 2.70%
> 9 | tin/2.0.1-20111224 ("Achenvoir") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.31 (i586))
> | 1 | 1,304 | 0 | 2.70%
> 10 | Rocksolid Light 0.8.0
> | 1 | 1,269 | 0 | 2.70%
> 11 | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0)
> Gecko/20100101 | 1 | 1,225 | 0 | 2.70%
>
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>
>
> ***** Most used Newsreaders (distinct user) *****
> num| Newsreader
> | Util. | Nb Msg | %
>
----|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
> 1 | Usenapp for MacOS
> | 2 | 14 | 15.38% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | Others
> | 2 | 4 | 15.38% xxxxxxxxxx
> 3 | Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0)
> | 1 | 9 | 7.69% xxxxx
> 4 | Claws Mail 4.1.1git47 (GTK 3.24.33; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
> | 1 | 2 | 7.69% xxxxx
> 5 | tin/2.6.2-20221225 ("Pittyvaich") (Linux/6.0.14-300.fc37.x86_64
> (x86_64)) | 1 | 2 | 7.69% xxxxx
> 6 | MesNews/1.08.06.00-gb
> | 1 | 1 | 7.69% xxxxx
> 7 | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101
> | 1 | 1 | 7.69% xxxxx
> 8 | ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272
> | 1 | 1 | 7.69% xxxxx
> 9 | tin/2.0.1-20111224 ("Achenvoir") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.31 (i586))
> | 1 | 1 | 7.69% xxxxx
> 10 | Rocksolid Light 0.8.0
> | 1 | 1 | 7.69% xxxxx
> 11 | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0)
> Gecko/20100101 | 1 | 1 | 7.69% xxxxx
>
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>
>
> ***** Most used Newsreaders (summary) *****
> num| Newsreader | Nb Msg | size | or. | %
> ----|-------------------|--------|--------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | Usenapp for MacOS | 14 | 27,974 | 0 | 37.84% xxxxxxxxxx 2 |
> Mozilla | 11 | 24,437 | 0 | 29.73% xxxxxxx 3 | Others
> | 4 | 6,930 | 0 | 10.81% xx 4 | tin |
> 3 | 5,692 | 0 | 8.11% xx 5 | Claws Mail | 2 |
> 2,230 | 1 | 5.41% x 6 | MesNews | 1 | 14,831 | 1 |
> 2.70%
> 7 | ForteAgent | 1 | 1,351 | 0 | 2.70%
> 8 | Rocksolid Light | 1 | 1,269 | 0 | 2.70%
> ----|-------------------|--------|--------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Most used Newsreader (résumé, by user) *****
> num| Newsreader | Util. | Nb Msg | %
> ----|-------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
> 1 | Mozilla | 3 | 11 | 23.08% xxxxxxxxxx 2 | Usenapp
> for MacOS | 2 | 14 | 15.38% xxxxxx 3 | Others |
> 2 | 4 | 15.38% xxxxxx 4 | tin | 2 | 3 |
> 15.38% xxxxxx 5 | Claws Mail | 1 | 2 | 7.69% xxx 6 |
> MesNews | 1 | 1 | 7.69% xxx 7 | ForteAgent
> | 1 | 1 | 7.69% xxx 8 | Rocksolid Light | 1 | 1 |
> 7.69% xxx
> ----|-------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Summary results *****
> Total found messages : 37 for 31 days New threads
So few
> : 2 Total replies : 35
> Total modified threads : 4 Total size : 84714 bytes (82.73 KB)
> Total lines : 1158 lines Total users : 13 Average number of messages by
> user : 2.85 Average size of messages by user : 6,516.46 bytes (6.36 KB))
> Average number of lines by user : 89.08
Thats a lot!
>
> --
> The lie of USenet is dying is rebuff by these statistics Usenet lives or
> the internet dies
The (IPv4) internet is full go away

Am 16.06.2023 um 19:21:21 Uhr schrieb Meow:

> The (IPv4) internet is full go away

I will be happy on the day the IPv4 internet dies.

> Am 16.06.2023 um 19:21:21 Uhr schrieb Meow:
>
>> The (IPv4) internet is full go away
>
> I will be happy on the day the IPv4 internet dies.

why

Am 16.06.2023 um 20:59:10 Uhr schrieb Meow:

> > Am 16.06.2023 um 19:21:21 Uhr schrieb Meow:
> >
> >> The (IPv4) internet is full go away
> >
> > I will be happy on the day the IPv4 internet dies.
>
> why

Because IPv4 is an annoying protocol. There are not enough addresses
and I am much more flexible with IPv6.

Am 16.06.2023 um 22:42:01 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:

> In article <u6idbg$tl2c$1@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock
> <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> >Am 16.06.2023 um 19:21:21 Uhr schrieb Meow:
> >
> >> The (IPv4) internet is full go away
> >
> >I will be happy on the day the IPv4 internet dies.
> >
>
> In a century!

I don't think it takes that long.
About 40 % of the Google traffic is IPv6, this changed in the last 10
years.
I assume in 10-15 years almost everybody will have IPv6, so IPv4 will
be decommissioned.

Am 17.06.2023 um 15:11:42 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:

> In article <u6jsqs$16buo$2@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock
> <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> >Am 16.06.2023 um 22:42:01 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:
> >
> >> In article <u6idbg$tl2c$1@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock
> >> <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> >> >Am 16.06.2023 um 19:21:21 Uhr schrieb Meow:
> >> >
> >> >> The (IPv4) internet is full go away
> >> >
> >> >I will be happy on the day the IPv4 internet dies.
> >> >
> >>
> >> In a century!
> >
> >I don't think it takes that long.
> >About 40 % of the Google traffic is IPv6, this changed in the last 10
> >years.
> >I assume in 10-15 years almost everybody will have IPv6, so IPv4 will
> >be decommissioned.
> >
>
> Wrog assumption!

Please explain why do you think this is wrong?

Am 17.06.2023 um 21:04:51 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:

> In article <u6ks7s$1aglt$4@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock
> <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> >Am 17.06.2023 um 15:11:42 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:
> >
> >> In article <u6jsqs$16buo$2@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock
> >> <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> >> >Am 16.06.2023 um 22:42:01 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <u6idbg$tl2c$1@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock
> >> >> <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> >> >> >Am 16.06.2023 um 19:21:21 Uhr schrieb Meow:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> The (IPv4) internet is full go away
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I will be happy on the day the IPv4 internet dies.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> In a century!
> >> >
> >> >I don't think it takes that long.
> >> >About 40 % of the Google traffic is IPv6, this changed in the
> >> >last 10 years.
> >> >I assume in 10-15 years almost everybody will have IPv6, so IPv4
> >> >will be decommissioned.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Wrog assumption!
> >
> >Please explain why do you think this is wrong?
> >
>
> Any attempt to remove IPv$ would wipe off most of the internet!

They will need to migrate. The same process happened with other
protocols like ISDN or UUCP.

Am 17.06.2023 um 11:01 schrieb Marco Moock:
> Am 16.06.2023 um 20:59:10 Uhr schrieb Meow:
>
>>> Am 16.06.2023 um 19:21:21 Uhr schrieb Meow:
>>>
>>>> The (IPv4) internet is full go away
>>>
>>> I will be happy on the day the IPv4 internet dies.
>>
>> why
>
> Because IPv4 is an annoying protocol. There are not enough addresses
> and I am much more flexible with IPv6.
>

I would deactivate IPv4 immediately if all providers and hosters finally
used IPv6. However, there are still providers who offer IPv4-only
servers and sometimes only assign IPv4 to the mobile networks.

Am 17.06.2023 um 11:02 schrieb Marco Moock:
> I don't think it takes that long.
> About 40 % of the Google traffic is IPv6, this changed in the last 10
> years.
> I assume in 10-15 years almost everybody will have IPv6, so IPv4 will
> be decommissioned.

40% to 100% is still a long way off.

Especially the VPS providers are massively behind.

Am 23.06.2023 um 16:03:54 Uhr schrieb Timo:

> I would deactivate IPv4 immediately if all providers and hosters
> finally used IPv6. However, there are still providers who offer
> IPv4-only servers and sometimes only assign IPv4 to the mobile
> networks.

Worse. There are ISP thatt don't plan to introduce IPv6 and there are
administrators who don't implement IPv6 because they don want it or are
too stupid to understand it, including "dinosaur roars" like "IPv4 is
ok, we don't need IPv6".

Am 23.06.2023 um 16:13:41 Uhr schrieb Timo:

> Am 17.06.2023 um 11:02 schrieb Marco Moock:
> > I don't think it takes that long.
> > About 40 % of the Google traffic is IPv6, this changed in the last
> > 10 years.
> > I assume in 10-15 years almost everybody will have IPv6, so IPv4
> > will be decommissioned.
>
> 40% to 100% is still a long way off.

I think it will take 10 years.

> Especially the VPS providers are massively behind.

At least in Germany, many already have it.

Am 23.06.2023 um 23:57:43 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:

> In article <u74e48$3os5q$1@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock
> <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> >Am 23.06.2023 um 16:03:54 Uhr schrieb Timo:
> >
> >> I would deactivate IPv4 immediately if all providers and hosters
> >> finally used IPv6. However, there are still providers who offer
> >> IPv4-only servers and sometimes only assign IPv4 to the mobile
> >> networks.
> >
> >Worse. There are ISP thatt don't plan to introduce IPv6 and there are
> >administrators who don't implement IPv6 because they don want it or
> >are too stupid to understand it, including "dinosaur roars" like
> >"IPv4 is ok, we don't need IPv6".
> >
>
> So why not IPv6 for registered IPV4 holders?

Please explain what do you mean with that, I don't understand.

> Am 16.06.2023 um 22:42:01 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:
>
>> In article <u6idbg$tl2c$1@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de>
>> wrote:
>> >Am 16.06.2023 um 19:21:21 Uhr schrieb Meow:
>> >
>> >> The (IPv4) internet is full go away
>> >
>> >I will be happy on the day the IPv4 internet dies.
>> >
>> >
>> In a century!
>
> I don't think it takes that long.
> About 40 % of the Google traffic is IPv6, this changed in the last 10
> years.
> I assume in 10-15 years almost everybody will have IPv6, so IPv4 will be
> decommissioned.

i only have ipv4 see need perrs

> In article <u762ft$1mll$2@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de>
> wrote:
>>Am 23.06.2023 um 23:57:43 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:
>>
>>> In article <u74e48$3os5q$1@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock
>>> <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
>>> >Am 23.06.2023 um 16:03:54 Uhr schrieb Timo:
>>> >
>>> >> I would deactivate IPv4 immediately if all providers and hosters
>>> >> finally used IPv6. However, there are still providers who offer
>>> >> IPv4-only servers and sometimes only assign IPv4 to the mobile
>>> >> networks.
>>> >
>>> >Worse. There are ISP thatt don't plan to introduce IPv6 and there are
>>> >administrators who don't implement IPv6 because they don want it or
>>> >are too stupid to understand it, including "dinosaur roars" like
>>> >"IPv4 is ok, we don't need IPv6".
>>> >
>>> >
>>> So why not IPv6 for registered IPV4 holders?
>>
>>Please explain what do you mean with that, I don't understand.
>>
>>
> There are registered IPV4 holders of Calss Cs et al.
>
> Why not give regisetered people a complementary /48 ?

i dont know

On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 15:09:42 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> There are registered IPV4 holders of Calss Cs et al.
> Why not give regisetered people a complementary /48 ?

What purpose would that accomplish?
They can request IPv6 ranges from their LIR/RIR with few simple clicks for free.

The issue is that getting IPv6 range assigned is absolutely trivial
compared for effort they need to expend to setup it so it actually does
anything.

And it is not ONLY one-time hardware upgrade cost (if current one doesn't
support IPv6, or has much reduced performance for IPv6 due to software
implementation vs. hardware-accelerated IPv4), or setup & testing costs -
there is also huge education cost for your workforce, as well as maintenance
effort for indefinite time (supporting dual stack is double the effort than
supporting single stack, regardless if it is IPv4-only or IPv6-only).

That being said, IPv6 is great and everybody should support it.

--
Opinions above are GNU-copylefted.

Am 01.07.2023 um 22:27:23 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:

> In article <slrnua0k8t.h3b.mnalis-news@leia.home.lan>,
> Matija Nalis <mnalis-news@voyager.hr> wrote:
> >On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 15:09:42 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor
> ><doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> >> There are registered IPV4 holders of Calss Cs et al.
> >> Why not give regisetered people a complementary /48 ?
> >
> >
> >What purpose would that accomplish?
> >They can request IPv6 ranges from their LIR/RIR with few simple
> >clicks for free.
> >
> >The issue is that getting IPv6 range assigned is absolutely trivial
> >compared for effort they need to expend to setup it so it actually
> >does anything.
> >
> >And it is not ONLY one-time hardware upgrade cost (if current one
> >doesn't support IPv6, or has much reduced performance for IPv6 due
> >to software implementation vs. hardware-accelerated IPv4), or setup
> >& testing costs - there is also huge education cost for your
> >workforce, as well as maintenance effort for indefinite time
> >(supporting dual stack is double the effort than supporting single
> >stack, regardless if it is IPv4-only or IPv6-only).
> >
> >That being said, IPv6 is great and everybody should support it.
> >
>
> Hardware? Most OSes supposed IPv6 since 2005 !

Hardware like routers, firewalls, switches (for administration).
Devices like Cisco 2950 don't support IPv6.
2960 supports it with the lastest operating system.