On 5/5/24 19:11, Michael Christ wrote:
> Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God,

Take this shit of yours out of the sci.physics forum. It is not our
fault your Dad fucked you in the ass each afternoon when you got home
from the middle school.

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Mon, 06 May 2024 08:35:16 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <6638F8B4.4C4C@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 03 May 2024 09:19:26 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <66350E8E.7D2F@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Of course there is a God...
> >> >but God doesn't leave
> >> >evidence for just a
> >> >select few to see..
> >> >God leaves
> >> >evidence for everyone
> >> >to see...
> >> >even a 3 year old.
> >> >
> >> >The evidence that
> >> >God exist is
> >> >almost certaintly
> >> >overwhelming!
> >> >
> >> >I'll give you one example.
> >> >
> >> >'In the beginning, God
> >> >created the heavens and
> >> >the earth.'
> >>
> >> Quote from an unverified source.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Is there any evidence
> >> >that an earth exist????
> >>
> >> The existence of Earth is only evidence that Earth exists.
> >
> >It appears you believe the earth exists.
>
> There is verification of such existence.
>
> >
> >I'm just doing a reverse engineering...
> >
> >'In the beginning, God
> >created the heavens and
> >the earth.'
>
> Quote from unverified source.
>
> >
> >
> >How about "the heavens"? ...that would be the sky, our sun, the stars, moon and other planets.
>
> Nope. You are talking about the universe.
>
> >
> >Does "the heavens" exist??
>
> The universe does, as independently proven.
>
> >
> >I'm counting on you being a verified source...
> >
> >(you already verified the earth exists)
> >
> >
> Sorry. I have personally proven nothing and thus cannot
> verify anything.

But you said: "There is verification of such existence."

Are you saying you don't trust the ..."verification"????

i'm confused.

I don't know if you are 'aware' that you sound very much like a ..God fearing person.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On 6/05/2024 11:14 pm, Attila wrote:
> On Mon, 6 May 2024 20:10:59 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
> message-id <v1aabj$2eehl$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> On 6/05/2024 7:44 pm, Attila wrote:
>>> On Mon, 6 May 2024 10:46:56 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <l9qnk0F41ujU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:13:21 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <6631A541.5B91@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.
>>>>> I take issue with that. I have nothing to do with any part
>>>>> of any religion.
>>>>>
>>>>> A statement that something does not exist would require
>>>>> evidence of a negative, which is almost impossible to
>>>>> provide.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
>>>>> existence of any god.
>>>>
>>>> ah, so you admit there is evidence, which there is, as we've discussed.
>>>> saying no 'valid' evidence IYO is fine.
>>>
>>> The only such evidence is so defined by the observer and not
>>> necessarily accepted by anyone else. I accept no such
>>> evidence as being valid since none of it has any independent
>>> verification.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My default position is that as a
>>>>> result no god exists. Since this is a binary issue to take
>>>>> the default position that a god does exist would require I
>>>>> also take the position that vampires, dragons, elves,
>>>>> werewolves, shape changers, super heroes, and all sorts of
>>>>> other mythical characters must also exist.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't follow your reasoning. each proposition can be considered
>>>> independently. I don't see why if someone doesn't believe in God, they
>>>> also have to not believe in werewolves or vampires.
>>>
>>> Since the amount of supporting evidence (valid unambiguous,
>>> unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence) is exactly the
>>> same for each item and selection of one being more valid
>>> than any other is arbitrary and based upon nothing more than
>>> opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>>> surely
>>>> anything/everything should be considered on it's merits. ie. what
>>>> evidence is there and the likelihood of it supporting reality. plus the
>>>> fact of individual freedom to believe. someone can not believe in
>>>> something, however strong the evidence for it is, and still believe in
>>>> something ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Anyone is free to believe anything they like without limit.
>>> That alone does not validate any belief.
>>
>> Of course not, validation belongs to God.
>
> How is this done? By rubber stamp?

Yeah, an anvil rubbered stamp on your head.

No, not an Attila rubber stamp.

Michael Christ
>
>>
>> No, Tilly, that is not you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
>
> Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
> and abhorrent.
> Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
>
> Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
> as I prefer to call them
>
> The most dangerous enemies the United States has:
>
> Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
> supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
> Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
> Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
> Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
> Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
> have stepped over the line and are working against
> the country and what it stands for.
>
> Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.
>
> Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
> Go WOKE. Go broke.
> CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
> DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
> End all social engineering programs.
>
> I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
> face with what she has to say.
>
> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
> Apple?
>
> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
> It is the business of no one else.
>
> There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
> She want's it. All else is irrelevant
>
> I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
>
> Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

On Mon, 06 May 2024 12:41:29 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<66393269.4913@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 08:35:16 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <6638F8B4.4C4C@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Attila < wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 03 May 2024 09:19:26 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> <66350E8E.7D2F@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Of course there is a God...
>> >> >but God doesn't leave
>> >> >evidence for just a
>> >> >select few to see..
>> >> >God leaves
>> >> >evidence for everyone
>> >> >to see...
>> >> >even a 3 year old.
>> >> >
>> >> >The evidence that
>> >> >God exist is
>> >> >almost certaintly
>> >> >overwhelming!
>> >> >
>> >> >I'll give you one example.
>> >> >
>> >> >'In the beginning, God
>> >> >created the heavens and
>> >> >the earth.'
>> >>
>> >> Quote from an unverified source.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Is there any evidence
>> >> >that an earth exist????
>> >>
>> >> The existence of Earth is only evidence that Earth exists.
>> >
>> >It appears you believe the earth exists.
>>
>> There is verification of such existence.
>>
>> >
>> >I'm just doing a reverse engineering...
>> >
>> >'In the beginning, God
>> >created the heavens and
>> >the earth.'
>>
>> Quote from unverified source.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >How about "the heavens"? ...that would be the sky, our sun, the stars, moon and other planets.
>>
>> Nope. You are talking about the universe.
>>
>> >
>> >Does "the heavens" exist??
>>
>> The universe does, as independently proven.
>>
>> >
>> >I'm counting on you being a verified source...
>> >
>> >(you already verified the earth exists)
>> >
>> >
>> Sorry. I have personally proven nothing and thus cannot
>> verify anything.
>
>
>But you said: "There is verification of such existence."

I said I am aware of it. I did not say I verified it
personally.

>
>
>Are you saying you don't trust the ..."verification"????

No.

>
>
>
>
>i'm confused.
>
>
>
>I don't know if you are 'aware' that you sound very much like a ..God fearing person.

I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Okay, back to my reverse engineering...

you agree there was some verification for an
earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)

'In the beginning, God
created the heavens and
the earth.'

Next in reverse engineering is

"created"
'...created the heavens and
the earth.'

Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
was...
'created'???

cre·ate
/kre'at/
verb
bring (something) into existence.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+created

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Mon, 06 May 2024 12:41:29 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <66393269.4913@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 06 May 2024 08:35:16 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <6638F8B4.4C4C@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Attila < wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 03 May 2024 09:19:26 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> >> <66350E8E.7D2F@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Of course there is a God...
> >> >> >but God doesn't leave
> >> >> >evidence for just a
> >> >> >select few to see..
> >> >> >God leaves
> >> >> >evidence for everyone
> >> >> >to see...
> >> >> >even a 3 year old.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The evidence that
> >> >> >God exist is
> >> >> >almost certaintly
> >> >> >overwhelming!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'll give you one example.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >'In the beginning, God
> >> >> >created the heavens and
> >> >> >the earth.'
> >> >>
> >> >> Quote from an unverified source.
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Is there any evidence
> >> >> >that an earth exist????
> >> >>
> >> >> The existence of Earth is only evidence that Earth exists.
> >> >
> >> >It appears you believe the earth exists.
> >>
> >> There is verification of such existence.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I'm just doing a reverse engineering...
> >> >
> >> >'In the beginning, God
> >> >created the heavens and
> >> >the earth.'
> >>
> >> Quote from unverified source.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >How about "the heavens"? ...that would be the sky, our sun, the stars, moon and other planets.
> >>
> >> Nope. You are talking about the universe.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Does "the heavens" exist??
> >>
> >> The universe does, as independently proven.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I'm counting on you being a verified source...
> >> >
> >> >(you already verified the earth exists)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Sorry. I have personally proven nothing and thus cannot
> >> verify anything.
> >
> >
> >But you said: "There is verification of such existence."
>
> I said I am aware of it. I did not say I verified it
> personally.
>
> >
> >
> >Are you saying you don't trust the ..."verification"????
>
> No.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >i'm confused.
> >
> >
> >
> >I don't know if you are 'aware' that you sound very much like a ..God fearing person.
>
> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
> existence of any god.
>
> --
>
> Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
> and abhorrent.
> Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
>
> Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
> as I prefer to call them
>
> The most dangerous enemies the United States has:
>
> Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
> supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
> Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
> Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
> Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
> Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
> have stepped over the line and are working against
> the country and what it stands for.
>
> Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.
>
> Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
> Go WOKE. Go broke.
> CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
> DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
> End all social engineering programs.
>
> I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
> face with what she has to say.
>
> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
> Apple?
>
> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
> It is the business of no one else.
>
> There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
> She want's it. All else is irrelevant
>
> I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
>
> Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>
>you agree there was some verification for an
>earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)

They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
them.

And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
we exist.

>
>'In the beginning, God
>created the heavens and
>the earth.'

You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
source as if is relevant. Why is that?

Since it is unverified it is useless.

>
>
>Next in reverse engineering is
>
>"created"
>'...created the heavens and
>the earth.'
>
>
>Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>was...
>'created'???

Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
yet known.

>
>
>
>cre·ate
>/kre'at/
>verb
>bring (something) into existence.
>https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+created
>
I am familiar with the definition.

This link explains what top posting is and why it is bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Top-posting

https://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html#:~:text=Top%2Dposting%20makes%20it%20hard,looks%20bad%20due%20line%20wrapping.

>
>
>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 12:41:29 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <66393269.4913@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Attila < wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 06 May 2024 08:35:16 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> <6638F8B4.4C4C@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Attila < wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, 03 May 2024 09:19:26 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> >> <66350E8E.7D2F@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Of course there is a God...
>> >> >> >but God doesn't leave
>> >> >> >evidence for just a
>> >> >> >select few to see..
>> >> >> >God leaves
>> >> >> >evidence for everyone
>> >> >> >to see...
>> >> >> >even a 3 year old.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The evidence that
>> >> >> >God exist is
>> >> >> >almost certaintly
>> >> >> >overwhelming!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I'll give you one example.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >'In the beginning, God
>> >> >> >created the heavens and
>> >> >> >the earth.'
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Quote from an unverified source.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Is there any evidence
>> >> >> >that an earth exist????
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The existence of Earth is only evidence that Earth exists.
>> >> >
>> >> >It appears you believe the earth exists.
>> >>
>> >> There is verification of such existence.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm just doing a reverse engineering...
>> >> >
>> >> >'In the beginning, God
>> >> >created the heavens and
>> >> >the earth.'
>> >>
>> >> Quote from unverified source.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >How about "the heavens"? ...that would be the sky, our sun, the stars, moon and other planets.
>> >>
>> >> Nope. You are talking about the universe.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Does "the heavens" exist??
>> >>
>> >> The universe does, as independently proven.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm counting on you being a verified source...
>> >> >
>> >> >(you already verified the earth exists)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> Sorry. I have personally proven nothing and thus cannot
>> >> verify anything.
>> >
>> >
>> >But you said: "There is verification of such existence."
>>
>> I said I am aware of it. I did not say I verified it
>> personally.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Are you saying you don't trust the ..."verification"????
>>
>> No.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >i'm confused.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I don't know if you are 'aware' that you sound very much like a ..God fearing person.
>>
>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
>> existence of any god.
>>

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On 7/05/2024 4:57 am, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 5/5/24 19:11, Michael Christ wrote:
>> Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God,
>
>
> Take this shit of yours out of the sci.physics forum. It is not our
> fault your Dad fucked you in the ass each afternoon when you got home
> from the middle school.

I didn't add your marvelous group, girlfriend.

Don't take your fetish out on me.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

On 5/5/2024 3:14 PM, Attila wrote:
> On Sun, 05 May 2024 10:55:58 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <6637C82E.65EA@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> Attila < wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 02 May 2024 09:21:22 -0700, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <6633BD82.2D97@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:11:09 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <6633044D.3487@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is the fourth person...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
>>>>>> murders.
>>>>>
>>>>> The charge would vary according to local law. In some
>>>>> places two murders and in some places one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's alive!
>>>
>>> Reference please. Or is this your opinion?
>>
>>
>> What do you mean by "Reference"? It's the definition. (you don't even know if the earth exist!)
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+person
>>
>> per·son
>> /'p?rs(?)n/
>> noun
>>
>> a human being regarded as an individual.

An individual what? I have individual potted plant growing in my garden.

>> "the porter was the last person to see her"

What constitutes a human person?

>
> But when exactly does a human being exist?

At conception, of course.

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
> >
> >you agree there was some verification for an
> >earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>
> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
> them.
>
> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
> we exist.
>
> >
> >'In the beginning, God
> >created the heavens and
> >the earth.'
>
> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>
> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>
> >
> >
> >Next in reverse engineering is
> >
> >"created"
> >'...created the heavens and
> >the earth.'
> >
> >
> >Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
> >was...
> >'created'???
>
> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
> yet known.

you wrote:
"creation took place"

That means you agree creation took place.

What's next on my reverse engineering list?

You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...

Next is God...God created
the heavens and the earth.

What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Tue, 7 May 2024 23:15:59 -0700, Mike Colangelo
<air@vatican_.con> in alt.atheism with message-id
<zME_N.97520$lwqa.80206@fx18.iad> wrote:

>On 5/5/2024 3:14 PM, Attila wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 May 2024 10:55:58 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <6637C82E.65EA@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 02 May 2024 09:21:22 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <6633BD82.2D97@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:11:09 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <6633044D.3487@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is the fourth person...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
>>>>>>> murders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The charge would vary according to local law. In some
>>>>>> places two murders and in some places one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's alive!
>>>>
>>>> Reference please. Or is this your opinion?
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "Reference"? It's the definition. (you don't even know if the earth exist!)
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+person
>>>
>>> per·son
>>> /'p?rs(?)n/
>>> noun
>>>
>>> a human being regarded as an individual.
>
>An individual what? I have individual potted plant growing in my garden.

You are now being argumentative. An individual human being,
species human. I am looking for a definition that supports
your above comment.

" A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's
alive!"

>
>>> "the porter was the last person to see her"
>
>What constitutes a human person?

Good question. Can you reference a definition?

>
>>
>> But when exactly does a human being exist?
>
>At conception, of course.

Is a fetus a person? If so can it be a tax deduction? Can
it own property? Can it inherit? Is it a citizen? Of what
country and how is this determined? Can it get
documentation to support any of this? Who would provide
such documentation?

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>> >
>> >you agree there was some verification for an
>> >earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>
>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>> them.
>>
>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>> we exist.
>>
>> >
>> >'In the beginning, God
>> >created the heavens and
>> >the earth.'
>>
>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>
>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Next in reverse engineering is
>> >
>> >"created"
>> >'...created the heavens and
>> >the earth.'
>> >
>> >
>> >Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>> >was...
>> >'created'???
>>
>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>> yet known.
>
>you wrote:
>"creation took place"

"Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
occurred.

>
>
>That means you agree creation took place.

Wrong. See above.

>
>
>What's next on my reverse engineering list?
>
>
>You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...

Nope. Nice try at putting words in my mouth.

>
>
>Next is God...God created
>the heavens and the earth.

If anything created anything the evidence indicates it could
have been space hamsters, beings from another dimension, or
a bored teenager with magical skills. Or something else.

IOW, there is no evidence to support anything.

I can keep repeating I have yet to see any valid evidence
supporting the existence of any god as long as you insist on
referring to one.

>
>
>What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?

1.
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the
creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral
authority; the supreme being.
2.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit
worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a
deity.

Definitions from Oxford Languages

I have seen no unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and
credible evidence to support the existence of such an
entity.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On 8/05/2024 7:59 pm, Attila wrote:
> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> Attila < wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>
>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>
>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>> them.
>>>
>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>> we exist.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>> created the heavens and
>>>> the earth.'
>>>
>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>
>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>
>>>> "created"
>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>> the earth.'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>> was...
>>>> 'created'???
>>>
>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>> yet known.
>>
>> you wrote:
>> "creation took place"
>
> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
> occurred.

Then obviously you don't exist, Goofy.

I see no evidence that you have a brain left.

Therefore, it is so.

Michael Christ

>
>>
>>
>> That means you agree creation took place.
>
> Wrong. See above.
>
>>
>>
>> What's next on my reverse engineering list?
>>
>>
>> You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...
>
> Nope. Nice try at putting words in my mouth.
>
>>
>>
>> Next is God...God created
>> the heavens and the earth.
>
> If anything created anything the evidence indicates it could
> have been space hamsters, beings from another dimension, or
> a bored teenager with magical skills. Or something else.
>
> IOW, there is no evidence to support anything.
>
> I can keep repeating I have yet to see any valid evidence
> supporting the existence of any god as long as you insist on
> referring to one.
>
>>
>>
>> What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?
>
> 1.
> (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the
> creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral
> authority; the supreme being.
> 2.
> (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit
> worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a
> deity.
>
> Definitions from Oxford Languages
>
> I have seen no unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and
> credible evidence to support the existence of such an
> entity.
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
> >> >
> >> >you agree there was some verification for an
> >> >earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
> >>
> >> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
> >> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
> >> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
> >> them.
> >>
> >> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
> >> we exist.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >'In the beginning, God
> >> >created the heavens and
> >> >the earth.'
> >>
> >> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
> >> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
> >>
> >> Since it is unverified it is useless.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Next in reverse engineering is
> >> >
> >> >"created"
> >> >'...created the heavens and
> >> >the earth.'
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
> >> >was...
> >> >'created'???
> >>
> >> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
> >> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
> >> yet known.
> >
> >you wrote:
> >"creation took place"
>
> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
> occurred.

Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???

I know exactly where your mind is at...

You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...

you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..

you stare at the blank screen.

dats it.

you stare at ...nothiness.

you died.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Attila < wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>> >> >
>> >> >you agree there was some verification for an
>> >> >earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>> >>
>> >> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>> >> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>> >> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>> >> them.
>> >>
>> >> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>> >> we exist.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >'In the beginning, God
>> >> >created the heavens and
>> >> >the earth.'
>> >>
>> >> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>> >> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>> >>
>> >> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Next in reverse engineering is
>> >> >
>> >> >"created"
>> >> >'...created the heavens and
>> >> >the earth.'
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>> >> >was...
>> >> >'created'???
>> >>
>> >> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>> >> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>> >> yet known.
>> >
>> >you wrote:
>> >"creation took place"
>>
>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>> occurred.
>
>Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???

Since I never said that. no.

I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
created or that any god exists.

I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
any "creator" was involved at any point.

>
>
>I know exactly where your mind is at...
>
>
>You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>
>you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>
>you stare at the blank screen.
>
>dats it.
>
>
>you stare at ...nothiness.
>
>
>you died.

Actually when I die I expect the same lever of awareness
that I had before I was born.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila wrote:
> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> Attila < wrote:
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>> was...
>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>> yet known.
>>>> you wrote:
>>>> "creation took place"
>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>> occurred.
>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
> Since I never said that. no.
>
> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
> created or that any god exists.
>
> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
> was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>
>
>>
>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>
>>
>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>
>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>
>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>
>> dats it.
>>
>>
>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>
>>
>> you died.
> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
> that I had before I was born.
>
>

https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>>> occurred.
>>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
>> Since I never said that. no.
>>
>> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
>> created or that any god exists.
>>
>> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
>> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
>> was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
>> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>>
>>>
>>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>>
>>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>>
>>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>>
>>> dats it.
>>>
>>>
>>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>>
>>>
>>> you died.
>> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
>> that I had before I was born.
>>
>>
>
>https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4

It sounds like our opinions basically agree.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
> >> >
> >> >you agree there was some verification for an
> >> >earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
> >>
> >> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
> >> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
> >> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
> >> them.
> >>
> >> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
> >> we exist.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >'In the beginning, God
> >> >created the heavens and
> >> >the earth.'
> >>
> >> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
> >> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
> >>
> >> Since it is unverified it is useless.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Next in reverse engineering is
> >> >
> >> >"created"
> >> >'...created the heavens and
> >> >the earth.'
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
> >> >was...
> >> >'created'???
> >>
> >> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
> >> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
> >> yet known.
> >
> >you wrote:
> >"creation took place"
>
> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
> occurred.
>
> >
> >
> >That means you agree creation took place.
>
> Wrong. See above.
>
> >
> >
> >What's next on my reverse engineering list?
> >
> >
> >You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...
>
> Nope. Nice try at putting words in my mouth.
>
> >
> >
> >Next is God...God created
> >the heavens and the earth.
>
> If anything created anything the evidence indicates it could
> have been space hamsters, beings from another dimension, or
> a bored teenager with magical skills. Or something else.
>
> IOW, there is no evidence to support anything.
>
> I can keep repeating I have yet to see any valid evidence
> supporting the existence of any god as long as you insist on
> referring to one.
>
> >
> >
> >What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?
>
> 1.
> (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the
> creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral
> authority; the supreme being.

I asked you..."God" mean to you?, you define the word...God?

and You picked Your Christian God.

So, you are a die hard self-hating Christian!

Typical atheists.

Your girlfriend Christian too, right?

It's okay, Charles Darnwin is a self-hating Christian too!

But I had prefer if you had gave me YOUR definition of God, not Google's.

Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...

teach me.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On 5/8/2024 2:47 AM, Attila wrote:
> On Tue, 7 May 2024 23:15:59 -0700, Mike Colangelo
> <air@vatican_.con> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <zME_N.97520$lwqa.80206@fx18.iad> wrote:
>
>> On 5/5/2024 3:14 PM, Attila wrote:
>>> On Sun, 05 May 2024 10:55:58 -0700, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <6637C82E.65EA@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 02 May 2024 09:21:22 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <6633BD82.2D97@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:11:09 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <6633044D.3487@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is the fourth person...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
>>>>>>>> murders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The charge would vary according to local law. In some
>>>>>>> places two murders and in some places one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's alive!
>>>>>
>>>>> Reference please. Or is this your opinion?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by "Reference"? It's the definition. (you don't even know if the earth exist!)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+person
>>>>
>>>> per·son
>>>> /'p?rs(?)n/
>>>> noun
>>>>
>>>> a human being regarded as an individual.
>>
>> An individual what? I have individual potted plants growing in my garden.
>
> You are now being argumentative.

Fuck off. That's all you're ever doing here.

> An individual human being,

tautology

> " A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's
> alive!"

Cattle have all that, and they are not persons.

>>
>>>> "the porter was the last person to see her"
>>
>> What constitutes a human person?
>
> Good question.

You can't answer it.

>>
>>>
>>> But when exactly does a human being exist?
>>
>> At conception, of course.
>
> Is a fetus a person?

Not a complete person.

On Thu, 9 May 2024 08:45:31 -0700, Mike Colangelo
<air@vatican_.con> in alt.atheism with message-id
<Uc6%N.11059$uO7b.4346@fx05.iad> wrote:

>On 5/8/2024 2:47 AM, Attila wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 May 2024 23:15:59 -0700, Mike Colangelo
>> <air@vatican_.con> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <zME_N.97520$lwqa.80206@fx18.iad> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/5/2024 3:14 PM, Attila wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 05 May 2024 10:55:58 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <6637C82E.65EA@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 02 May 2024 09:21:22 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <6633BD82.2D97@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:11:09 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <6633044D.3487@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is the fourth person...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
>>>>>>>>> murders.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The charge would vary according to local law. In some
>>>>>>>> places two murders and in some places one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's alive!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reference please. Or is this your opinion?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by "Reference"? It's the definition. (you don't even know if the earth exist!)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+person
>>>>>
>>>>> per·son
>>>>> /'p?rs(?)n/
>>>>> noun
>>>>>
>>>>> a human being regarded as an individual.
>>>
>>> An individual what? I have individual potted plants growing in my garden.
>>
>> You are now being argumentative.
>
>Fuck off. That's all you're ever doing here.
>
>> An individual human being,
>
>tautology
>
>
>> " A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's
>> alive!"
>
>Cattle have all that, and they are not persons.

If you look above you will see I was repeating something
that was said by someone else. I challenged the statement
and was ignored.

The origional was posted by The Starmaker

>
>>>
>>>>> "the porter was the last person to see her"
>>>
>>> What constitutes a human person?
>>
>> Good question.
>
>You can't answer it.

Again I did not make the origional statement.

In fact, you copied a part of a definition posted by The
Starmaker.

Historically a person was a human being, which is a
socio-legal term that requires species human and live birth.
This is reflected in the laws that differentiate between a
fetus and a legal person.

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But when exactly does a human being exist?
>>>
>>> At conception, of course.
>>
>> Is a fetus a person?
>
>Not a complete person.

So someone can be a little bit of a person but not a whole
person? Just what is the difference between an incomplete
person and a complete person?

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Attila < wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>> >> >
>> >> >you agree there was some verification for an
>> >> >earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>> >>
>> >> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>> >> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>> >> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>> >> them.
>> >>
>> >> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>> >> we exist.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >'In the beginning, God
>> >> >created the heavens and
>> >> >the earth.'
>> >>
>> >> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>> >> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>> >>
>> >> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Next in reverse engineering is
>> >> >
>> >> >"created"
>> >> >'...created the heavens and
>> >> >the earth.'
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>> >> >was...
>> >> >'created'???
>> >>
>> >> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>> >> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>> >> yet known.
>> >
>> >you wrote:
>> >"creation took place"
>>
>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>> occurred.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >That means you agree creation took place.
>>
>> Wrong. See above.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >What's next on my reverse engineering list?
>> >
>> >
>> >You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...
>>
>> Nope. Nice try at putting words in my mouth.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Next is God...God created
>> >the heavens and the earth.
>>
>> If anything created anything the evidence indicates it could
>> have been space hamsters, beings from another dimension, or
>> a bored teenager with magical skills. Or something else.
>>
>> IOW, there is no evidence to support anything.
>>
>> I can keep repeating I have yet to see any valid evidence
>> supporting the existence of any god as long as you insist on
>> referring to one.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?
>>
>> 1.
>> (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the
>> creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral
>> authority; the supreme being.
>
>
>I asked you..."God" mean to you?, you define the word...God?

Did you miss the " other monotheistic religions" part? I
did not include those with multi-gods (such as Hind and
ancient Egyptian because I have seen few advocates here.

>
>
>
>and You picked Your Christian God.

Not mine.

>
>So, you are a die hard self-hating Christian!
>
>
>Typical atheists.
>
>
>Your girlfriend Christian too, right?
>
>
>It's okay, Charles Darnwin is a self-hating Christian too!

Is? I thought he was dead.

>
>
>But I had prefer if you had gave me YOUR definition of God, not Google's.

I speak standard English and use definitions that are common
to most English speaking people. If I posted in Klingon I
doubt may people would know what I was saying.

>
>
>Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...

Why? It would mean nothing to me.

>
>
>teach me.

Sorry. I don't attempt the impossible.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> >
> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
>
> Why? It would mean nothing to me.

So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...

You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."

Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Thu, 09 May 2024 10:46:27 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663D0BF3.62E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
>>
>> Why? It would mean nothing to me.
>
>
>So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...
>
>
>You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."
>
>
>Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.

What is your point? I never think of any god except when I
post here and certainly don't waste time trying to think up
some esoteric definition of the term. It just isn't that
important.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Thu, 09 May 2024 10:46:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663D0BF3.62E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
> >>
> >> Why? It would mean nothing to me.
> >
> >
> >So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...
> >
> >
> >You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."
> >
> >
> >Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.
>
> What is your point? I never think of any god except when I
> post here and certainly don't waste time trying to think up
> some esoteric definition of the term. It just isn't that
> important.

You *just* gave everyone YOUR definition of God.

Here is your definition of God: "It would mean nothing to me."

"It" refers to God...

"..would mean nothing to me."

means, God means Nothing to you.

So, does God mean something to you, or
God means Nothing to you?

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Thu, 09 May 2024 14:23:36 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663D3ED8.181@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 10:46:27 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663D0BF3.62E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Attila < wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
>> >>
>> >> Why? It would mean nothing to me.
>> >
>> >
>> >So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...
>> >
>> >
>> >You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."
>> >
>> >
>> >Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.
>>
>> What is your point? I never think of any god except when I
>> post here and certainly don't waste time trying to think up
>> some esoteric definition of the term. It just isn't that
>> important.
>
>You *just* gave everyone YOUR definition of God.
>
>Here is your definition of God: "It would mean nothing to me."

That is hardly a definition.

I would point out the subject being addressed was
definition. Therefore "it" is obviously the said
definition. It definition means nothing to me because I
don't consider the subject "god" important enough to bother
with.

>
>
>"It" refers to God...
>
>"..would mean nothing to me."
>
>
>means, God means Nothing to you.
>
>
>So, does God mean something to you, or
>God means Nothing to you?

Nothing to me. I have never kept it a secret.

But Jesus loves you.
Everyone else thinks you are an asshole.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>>>> occurred.
>>>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
>>> Since I never said that. no.
>>>
>>> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
>>> created or that any god exists.
>>>
>>> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
>>> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
>>> was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
>>> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>>>
>>>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>>>
>>>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>>>
>>>> dats it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you died.
>>> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
>>> that I had before I was born.
>>>
>>>
>> https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4
> It sounds like our opinions basically agree.
>

definitely, but more than opinion. I believe we cease to exist with
death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"