On 4/05/2024 11:24 am, ChristRose wrote:
> ========================
> On Fri, 03 May 2024 16:53:52 -0700,
> Article:<0001HW.2BE5B09000159751309C5A38F@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Robert wrote:
> ========================
>
>> Missing the Mark
>>
>> The Hebrew root, h?t?, generally refers to the idea of erring, doing wrong,
>> missing the mark, or going astray, which may or may not relate directly to
>> sin. Still, the word is the most common for sin in the Old Testament.
>> Sometimes physical language even symbolizes the same spiritually in that
>> passage. For example, in Proverbs 19:2 the English translates as
>> “missing the way”: “Desire without knowledge is not good, and whoever
>> makes haste with his feet misses his way.” But of course, the straying here
>> is understood spiritually in terms of impetuosity. The hasty person sinfully
>> “rushes into things” by acting without thinking, which is a form of
>> pride. Pride is at odds with patient waiting on the Lord. As we can see, we
>> have to be careful with word studies, making sure to do them with the context
>> in mind. Here, in the wisdom literature of Proverbs, the term denotes sin in
>> terms of an everyday experience symbolic of a moral failure.
>>
>> https://bibletolife.com/resources/questions/what-are-hebrew-words-for-sin/
>>
>> Realizing that a person argues without any understanding I decided to inject
>> this into the sin statements.
>
>
> I love how you crack open a strong's
> concordance, or read an article,
> cherry-pick what you want to hear out of
> it, then pretend like you're some
> established scholar and everyone else is
> a complete idiot

You are a complete idiot because you refuse to listen.

You walk in the tradition of your sinner forefathers.

Michael Christ

who has never studied
> what the Bible says.
>
> Meanwhile, why don't you go ahead and
> cite your example of that happening, so
> we can see the "context" of the
> discussion about which you are
> referring?
>
>
>> Why, because I am sure that he only cares about proving his self-righteous
>> points, not realizing the the English word “sin” in Hebrew and or Greek,
>> in fact uses many other words and so without knowledge one can just to false
>> conclusions.
>
>
> Go ahead and cite your example of that
> happening, in "context", so we can see
> if this is an accurate assessment.
>
>
>> A simple explanation might be that one person is an offense to another for a
>> variety of reasons, some due to no fault of his own.
>
>
> Jesus' hometown was offended at Him,
> precisely because He was given such
> wisdom and abilities:
>
> “And when the Sabbath had come, He began
> to teach in the synagogue. And many
> hearing Him were astonished, saying,
> “Where did this Man get these things?
> And what wisdom is this which is given
> to Him, that such mighty works are
> performed by His hands! Is this not the
> carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother
> of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And
> are not His sisters here with us?” So
> they were offended at Him.” (Mark 6:2–3,
> NKJV)
>
> The Pharisees were offended at Him, out
> of envy, because he was ruining the only
> reason they were interested in religion,
> which was to act important, and get the
> praise and recognition of men:
>
> “For he knew that they had handed Him
> over because of envy.” (Matthew 27:18,
> NKJV)
>
>
>> Maybe he bought him a purple shirt as a gift and knew nothing about his
>> hatred for the color, or that the color brought back bad memories. Was the
>> receiver offended because of his sensitivities? Yes, especially if he was of
>> the idea that everyone should know there reason why. If he was, did the
>> offender sin according to God? Obviously not.
>
>
> Which is why we don't change our way of
> life, every time some Karen is offended
> by our conduct. If the reason they are
> offended is because you spoke the truth
> to them, or did what God wanted you to
> do, then that's their problem.
>
>
>> So to make and or assume some blanket statement regarding sin as always being
>> an offense to God would be in error. And actually that in itself would be
>> sin.
>
>
> I'm not sure that statement is correct.
> "Offenses" people have may not always be
> regarded as being an offense to God (for
> example, the Pharisees being offended
> that Christ healed on the Sabbath, or
> that His disciples did not wash their
> hands before eating, and picked heads of
> grain on the Sabbath), but sin (as
> defined by God), would always be an
> offense to God.
>
>
>> So when someone makes a point, any point, a reasonable person would do well
>> to listen to what is said, and why it was said, and then be open to the
>> chastening of the Lord, if any is necessary on that point.
>
>
> You're the one who needs to improve your
> integrity in your communications. Like
> when you make a claim that someone said
> something which you have no evidence to
> support (such as claiming I said my wife
> had cancer, which I never did), then you
> double-down even when the actual
> conversation is produced and it does not
> support your claims.
>
> Your excuses for not doing this keep
> including dumb things like that you
> deleted all your posts, or your files
> got corrupted, so you had to start over
> (as if you couldn't just download all
> the articles again). That's just BS
> excuses for you to be lazy, or to dodge
> being faced with the fact you made an
> error.
>
>
> --
> Have you heard the good news Christ died
> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
> from the dead?
>
> That Christ died for our sins shows
> we're sinners who deserve the death
> penalty. That God raised Him from the
> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
> God's righteous demands against our sin
> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
> God can now remain just, while forgiving
> you of your sins, and saving you from
> eternal damnation.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

On May 4, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <v150qq$147mo$3@dont-email.me>):

> On 4/05/2024 11:24 am, ChristRose wrote:
> > ========================
> > On Fri, 03 May 2024 16:53:52 -0700,
> > Article:<0001HW.2BE5B09000159751309C5A38F@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Robert wrote:
> > ========================
> >
> > > Missing the Mark
> > >
> > > The Hebrew root, h?t?, generally refers to the idea of erring, doing wrong,
> > > missing the mark, or going astray, which may or may not relate directly to
> > > sin. Still, the word is the most common for sin in the Old Testament.
> > > Sometimes physical language even symbolizes the same spiritually in that
> > > passage. For example, in Proverbs 19:2 the English translates as
> > > “missing the way”: “Desire without knowledge is not good, and whoever
> > > makes haste with his feet misses his way.” But of course, the straying
> > > here
> > > is understood spiritually in terms of impetuosity. The hasty person
> > > sinfully
> > > “rushes into things” by acting without thinking, which is a form of
> > > pride. Pride is at odds with patient waiting on the Lord. As we can see, we
> > > have to be careful with word studies, making sure to do them with the
> > > context
> > > in mind. Here, in the wisdom literature of Proverbs, the term denotes sin
> > > in
> > > terms of an everyday experience symbolic of a moral failure.
> > >
> > > https://bibletolife.com/resources/questions/what-are-hebrew-words-for-sin/
> > >
> > > Realizing that a person argues without any understanding I decided to
> > > inject
> > > this into the sin statements.
> >
> >
> > I love how you crack open a strong's
> > concordance, or read an article,
> > cherry-pick what you want to hear out of
> > it, then pretend like you're some
> > established scholar and everyone else is
> > a complete idiot
>
> You are a complete idiot because you refuse to listen.
>
> You walk in the tradition of your sinner forefathers.
>
> Michael Christ

“Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not
understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this
people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes
have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their
ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should
heal them.” (Act 28:26-27, KJV)

Our eyes and ears should be focused on the Lord, His will and desires. To be
a pharisee of the pharisee’s is not joyous in the slightest, what motivates
them, it is not the Gospel of Jesus for sure. There is no brotherhood with
such animosity and it only serves to glorify the flesh.

>
>
> > who has never studied what the Bible says.
> >
> > Meanwhile, why don't you go ahead and
> > cite your example of that happening, so
> > we can see the "context" of the
> > discussion about which you are
> > referring?
> >
> >
> > > Why, because I am sure that he only cares about proving his self-righteous
> > > points, not realizing the the English word “sin” in Hebrew and or
> > > Greek,
> > > in fact uses many other words and so without knowledge one can just to
> > > false
> > > conclusions.
> >
> >
> > Go ahead and cite your example of that
> > happening, in "context", so we can see
> > if this is an accurate assessment.
> >
> >
> > > A simple explanation might be that one person is an offense to another for
> > > a
> > > variety of reasons, some due to no fault of his own.
> >
> >
> > Jesus' hometown was offended at Him,
> > precisely because He was given such
> > wisdom and abilities:
> >
> > “And when the Sabbath had come, He began
> > to teach in the synagogue. And many
> > hearing Him were astonished, saying,
> > “Where did this Man get these things?
> > And what wisdom is this which is given
> > to Him, that such mighty works are
> > performed by His hands! Is this not the
> > carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother
> > of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And
> > are not His sisters here with us?” So
> > they were offended at Him.” (Mark 6:2–3,
> > NKJV)
> >
> > The Pharisees were offended at Him, out
> > of envy, because he was ruining the only
> > reason they were interested in religion,
> > which was to act important, and get the
> > praise and recognition of men:
> >
> > “For he knew that they had handed Him
> > over because of envy.” (Matthew 27:18,
> > NKJV)
> >
> >
> > > Maybe he bought him a purple shirt as a gift and knew nothing about his
> > > hatred for the color, or that the color brought back bad memories. Was the
> > > receiver offended because of his sensitivities? Yes, especially if he was
> > > of
> > > the idea that everyone should know there reason why. If he was, did the
> > > offender sin according to God? Obviously not.
> >
> >
> > Which is why we don't change our way of
> > life, every time some Karen is offended
> > by our conduct. If the reason they are
> > offended is because you spoke the truth
> > to them, or did what God wanted you to
> > do, then that's their problem.
> >
> >
> > > So to make and or assume some blanket statement regarding sin as always
> > > being
> > > an offense to God would be in error. And actually that in itself would be
> > > sin.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure that statement is correct.
> > "Offenses" people have may not always be
> > regarded as being an offense to God (for
> > example, the Pharisees being offended
> > that Christ healed on the Sabbath, or
> > that His disciples did not wash their
> > hands before eating, and picked heads of
> > grain on the Sabbath), but sin (as
> > defined by God), would always be an
> > offense to God.
> >
> >
> > > So when someone makes a point, any point, a reasonable person would do well
> > > to listen to what is said, and why it was said, and then be open to the
> > > chastening of the Lord, if any is necessary on that point.
> >
> >
> > You're the one who needs to improve your
> > integrity in your communications. Like
> > when you make a claim that someone said
> > something which you have no evidence to
> > support (such as claiming I said my wife
> > had cancer, which I never did), then you
> > double-down even when the actual
> > conversation is produced and it does not
> > support your claims.
> >
> > Your excuses for not doing this keep
> > including dumb things like that you
> > deleted all your posts, or your files
> > got corrupted, so you had to start over
> > (as if you couldn't just download all
> > the articles again). That's just BS
> > excuses for you to be lazy, or to dodge
> > being faced with the fact you made an
> > error.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Have you heard the good news Christ died
> > for our sins (†), and God raised Him
> > from the dead?
> >
> > That Christ died for our sins shows
> > we're sinners who deserve the death
> > penalty. That God raised Him from the
> > dead shows Christ's death satisfied
> > God's righteous demands against our sin
> > (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
> > God can now remain just, while forgiving
> > you of your sins, and saving you from
> > eternal damnation.